in what i see the local government education sector. >> war of the words. sorry. i don't know why my mike is open. >> but we've seen a shift into august for that sector. the hiring for that sector in august and september was the highest in the 57 year history that they've been following that. so if the other adjust the number this month only brings it up to the averages of the next few years, i think we can get a decline of, say, 25,000 in that sector. so that's why i think the government will be weaker than the private secretary it tore. but as far as the private sector goes, the employment components of the ism, the empire state, the fed and chicago purchasing managers in-dek were all lower in october than they were the month before. the philly fed and chicago indexes employment components were the lowest since late '09. and interestingly for the first time since late '09, in the chicago index, the respondents saying they had fewer employees, 25 3rs, was more than those that said they had more employees. and that was the highest since late '0 #. >> bob, what number are you looking for?